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Apok Omen · Jan 30, 2009, 06:17 AM // 06:17

I got banned for this name: "Yaa Btch Yaa"

Now, I understand why, but I can't understand why someone with the name "Fux" or "Sht" doesn't get banned, and they were playing in Top GvG matches (I forget who had those parts in their names) which are viewable to the public.

Maybe Anet, when looking at your name, assumed the worst, like it stood for "Pussy Mutilating Agency" or "Pick Me, Apeshit". Something around there.

However, this has gotten out of hand, especially when I have yet to see a single case of someone being punished for reporting-abuse, like the feature states "overuse or unnecesary use of this command will result in your account being banned" or something along those lines.

This seems like a case of unnecessary use of the reporting command, as well as highly immature seeing as it is a response to losing. But, we do not know the both sides of the story, which is necessary for your arguement. Nothing against you, but I believe in fairness....to an extent.

sportacus · Jan 30, 2009, 06:25 AM // 06:25

Someone once told me they were reporting me for an inappropriate name. The name is 'Mome Raths Outgrabe'. I didn't get any sort of ban from it.

Luminarus · Jan 30, 2009, 06:44 AM // 06:44

Whats also wierd is that I had a bannable name, got reported and didnt get banned.

I was running a couple of builds using some OP skills like Palm Strike, RoJ etc, and was running a pvp char named: This S H I T Is Op. Didnt get banned.

Daesu · Jan 30, 2009, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Looks like ANet doesn't care about checking on name bans. This means it is a new exploit that can be abused to get anyone you dislike, banned.

immortius · Jan 30, 2009, 07:46 AM // 07:46

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Originally Posted by sportacus

Someone once told me they were reporting me for an inappropriate name. The name is 'Mome Raths Outgrabe'. I didn't get any sort of ban from it.

Lewis Caroll fan?

Maybe some poor illiterate thought it meant something rude about their mom.

Wish Swiftdeath · Jan 30, 2009, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Looks like ANet doesn't care about checking on name bans. This means it is a new exploit that can be abused to get anyone you dislike, banned.

or your name changed, keep report feature till after the weekend - then it can be removed

A Kitten On Fire · Jan 30, 2009, 09:16 AM // 09:16

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Originally Posted by Nightow

1)QQ less.
2)No one cares.
3)Contact NCSoft support via their web site and tell them why you shouldn't be banned.
4)QQ less some more.
5)??????????
6)PROFIT!

P.S. Doesn't really matter what you think PMA stands for. It could have a multiude of meanings as seen at http://www.acronymfinder.com/PMA.html.

I think I can honestly say, I don't agree with ANY of these comments you keep posting. Especially the crap about them not having enough time or people to go through reports. If they really don't, then what the hell are they doing banning people. Pretty BS if you ask me.

gremlin · Jan 30, 2009, 10:04 AM // 10:04

What on earth is the point of all this, some of you are running around like headless chickens over this when you don't know if its true or not and there is nothing you can do anyway.

Its not that I am unsympathetic to the OP but all the thread has done is get some people angry otherwise its achieved nothing.
He is no nearer getting back to playing and even when he does he will have no way of knowing if the person who reported him has been punished in some way.

Its a generally unsatisfactory situation over which no one here has any control, as has been said many many times before.

Don't like the reporting system ok then either start a poll or blog on it collect a few thousand names and email addresses and send it to the correct place.

Posting these threads here just indicates 2 things neither of which I believe to be true.

No one who has been banned was ever guilty of anything but they know many who should have been banned in their place.
Anet are totally inept when it comes to running the report system.

Arduin · Jan 30, 2009, 12:03 PM // 12:03

I was under the impression NCSoft were the ones handing out the bans, not Anet.

Sjeng · Jan 30, 2009, 12:08 PM // 12:08

This is why I:
* rarely talk in all chat
* never PUG
* never PvP

I play GW with my guild/alliance friends or solo. This is another reason why that's a good choice. Immaturity was another.

Cebe · Jan 30, 2009, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by Apok Omen

Maybe Anet, when looking at your name, assumed the worst, like it stood for "Pussy Mutilating Agency" or "Pick Me, Apeshit". Something around there.

Those would be unjustified assumptions, it certainly doesn't seem like they bother to even look at what's being reported. Perhaps so much is being reported they just don't have the time.

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Originally Posted by Apok Omen

However, this has gotten out of hand, especially when I have yet to see a single case of someone being punished for reporting-abuse, like the feature states "overuse or unnecesary use of this command will result in your account being banned" or something along those lines.

It's gotten out of hand because the report tool has nothing to do with punishments for actual bad behaviour any more. It's now just a raw tool for people who get beat in PvP, or people who get their build criticised in PvE to feel like they can give their opponent some "punishment" back.

It's a case of when "giving players power" goes very, very wrong.

I'll say it again: ArenaNet/NCSoft needs to take more responsibility for how it's game is ran, and not rely on immature players to act as "pseudo game moderators".

Enon · Jan 30, 2009, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by Nightow

I think it needs to be said that people need to stop trying to make their character's name into a statement and just use regular names. If you don't, then don't go QQ'ing about it.

As long as that statement or name is not offensive, there isn't any reason to ban that account. If I want to express my love for Shia LaBeouf in game and name myself "I Love Shia LaBeouf" and some Shia hater decides to report it, I shouldn't get banned. Period.

Fril Estelin · Jan 30, 2009, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

Perhaps so much is being reported they just don't have the time.

I remember the Guru thread when people first started complaining after it was introduced and some said they'd abuse the feature so that it becomes unmanageable and they remove it.

And then, year+ later, people come here and say it's not working. Guess what, "we" brought it onto ourselves as a community. Why aren't we discussing, instead of Anet NCsoft's name-ban policy, why there are ass-players instead and what we can do about it? (I can already people boo-ing me, "I'm the customer and AnetNC/soft has to bow to my every whim", "how do you dare question me?" "f-word you!")

Shayne Hawke · Jan 30, 2009, 12:45 PM // 12:45

You know, to date, I don't think I've ever heard of someone getting banned for "abuse" of this report feature.

Fril Estelin · Jan 30, 2009, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

You know, to date, I don't think I've ever heard of someone getting banned for "abuse" of this report feature.

I don't think people would come to Guru to say "Look, I abuse /report and got banned, GG NCsoft!". NCsoft support is so limited that it's globally accepted on Guru that congratulating them on their hardworkd with limited resources is "LAME". And no one wants to discuss "asses", because it may be "you" (I don't mean you Shayne Hawke but the people talking on Guru that's reading the discussion, an ass will simply ignore it and such a thread would end up empty or with +1s, the other solution of pointing the finger at asses when you see them is an off-topic).

Kattar · Jan 30, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

If we're discussing the validity and usefulness of the current reporting system, that's fine.

Just make sure and keep in on topic.

Honestly, I'd like to see some statistics of bans before and bans after the report feature went into effect.

Commander Ryker · Jan 30, 2009, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

I was under the impression NCSoft were the ones handing out the bans, not Anet.

You are absolutely right, it's NCSoft that does all the banning and stuff. So you guys, go complain to them, not anet.

mrvrod · Jan 30, 2009, 01:37 PM // 13:37

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Originally Posted by Seraphim Angel

I have a guild mate banned because he didn't pay for a run. The guy said he could do a run in 1 hour took him and 1 hour 30 min he refused to pay him got banned. Another friend banned because he did not pay this guy on guru in a timely manner so he got a ban.

Not sure I mind deadbeats getting banned, but they are getting too heavy-handed lately.

Zebideedee · Jan 30, 2009, 01:44 PM // 13:44

This reporting for saying a bad word or not being a slave to the reporter and asking if your bent over far enough is one of the reasons why besides guildies, I have very little to do with people in this game

I have to admit though, it's funny in LA or Spamadan because of some of the arguments and banning reasons, makes selling stuff a little less boring

Reverend Dr · Jan 30, 2009, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Some of us have been trying to point out the flaws, possible exploits, and actually occurring exploits of the report system for over a year. Too bad we keep getting told we don't know what we are talking about. Most often by players that do not know the system and have never bothered to look at its actual in game effects. And if you come in here to say that a player should be fine so long as they don't pug, don't use local/trade, and don't pvp, seriously, shut up.

Finally enough people are aware of the exploits and using them to the point that these type of threads are finally seeing more frequency.

Remember when there was a bot that searched chat, all chat including guild and pm's, for foul language and automatically issued a ban? The first people to discuss the matter were told they didn't know what they were talking about. Again by people that never bothered to look at any empirical evidence. I personally got an alt account (previously with 0 marks on it) banned by a string of filthy language, each line followed by "no one hears you."

I've heard a lot of bans. Most of then occurred to friends of mine. They've been banned for a whole string of things. I can honestly tell you that "report abuse" is not one of them. If organizing team/guild reports for erroneous charges all the way to syncing into RA/AB to report the odd man/group out I don't know what does. How about using team/local chat(but not actually using the report function) to get everyone in a RA match declared a leecher? I dunno, but I've done that too.

Maybe I'm just brazen, but I don't care if I talk about doing this type of activity on a public forum. Some people would be scared off, afraid that someone would track it back to their account. But I know the truth. If I haven't been banned for report abuse for over a year of actively abusing it, but suddenly I get banned for it after a post on a public forum, then it is not a case of the 'system' catching its errors. It is instead a company that had a problem exposed try to bandage the wound and cover their trail rather than actually addressing the root cause.

Of course that is not all. I can do more than just point out flaws. I can show things that would make great improvements to the system, both making it more effective and reducing the amount of human work required. But if things continue as they have been, no one cares to listen. Going through any effort to explore a new system is just as much of a waste of air as an unknown posting how they would skill balance.